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	<title>Comments on: Why I Don’t Read the Binding of Isaac on Rosh Hashanah</title>
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		<title>By: Angela Moore - Australia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Moore - Australia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that all of the above comments convey aspects of an important truth - that such stories are incredibly complex and multi-layered.  We may view it from the perspective of depth-psychology where all the characters are aspects of oneself, from the historical perspective so well-presented by BDE, as a pedagogic allegory as James suggests, and as the metonymy put forward by PW.  Such is the richness of Torah.  As the people Israel, by definition we &#039;wrestle with God&#039; or, to take it a step further, we &#039;wrestle with meaning&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that all of the above comments convey aspects of an important truth &#8211; that such stories are incredibly complex and multi-layered.  We may view it from the perspective of depth-psychology where all the characters are aspects of oneself, from the historical perspective so well-presented by BDE, as a pedagogic allegory as James suggests, and as the metonymy put forward by PW.  Such is the richness of Torah.  As the people Israel, by definition we &#8216;wrestle with God&#8217; or, to take it a step further, we &#8216;wrestle with meaning&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 16:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rabbi,

In reading your reasons for not reading the story, I think I discovered exactly why the story must be read and interpreted. You say that we live in the shadow of an event (the Shoah) where the only defence of those who perpetrated the crimes was that they were &#039;just following orders&#039;. Abraham was saved from doing this act because doing it would have been egregious and the excuse of &#039;God told me to&#039; would not have been sufficient. The story is there to teach us that no reprehensible act can be justified and that it is the duty of each person to question authority when it seems necessary.

That&#039;s how I understand the story and think that it is a good lesson.

Shalom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rabbi,</p>
<p>In reading your reasons for not reading the story, I think I discovered exactly why the story must be read and interpreted. You say that we live in the shadow of an event (the Shoah) where the only defence of those who perpetrated the crimes was that they were &#8216;just following orders&#8217;. Abraham was saved from doing this act because doing it would have been egregious and the excuse of &#8216;God told me to&#8217; would not have been sufficient. The story is there to teach us that no reprehensible act can be justified and that it is the duty of each person to question authority when it seems necessary.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how I understand the story and think that it is a good lesson.</p>
<p>Shalom.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After all your readings and ponderings, Rabbi, I think that you miss the point of the story.
Ask the old question &quot;what makes this story different from all other stories?&quot;
When I listen to Christian interpretations of the Bible, I become confused as well. They title the event &quot;the sacrifice of Isaac&quot;, and of course, it is the binding.
The binding, and the preparation for sacrifice.
Abraham does not sacrifice Isaac. And therein lies the difference.
Archeological finds all over the mid-east show children buried in the cornerstones of their families houses. The sacrifice of the first-born was expected.
Abraham&#039;s G_D, and Abraham, is different.
And that makes all the difference for all time.
For all Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After all your readings and ponderings, Rabbi, I think that you miss the point of the story.<br />
Ask the old question &#8220;what makes this story different from all other stories?&#8221;<br />
When I listen to Christian interpretations of the Bible, I become confused as well. They title the event &#8220;the sacrifice of Isaac&#8221;, and of course, it is the binding.<br />
The binding, and the preparation for sacrifice.<br />
Abraham does not sacrifice Isaac. And therein lies the difference.<br />
Archeological finds all over the mid-east show children buried in the cornerstones of their families houses. The sacrifice of the first-born was expected.<br />
Abraham&#8217;s G_D, and Abraham, is different.<br />
And that makes all the difference for all time.<br />
For all Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting piece; gives us a lot to consider. One minor error, however. You state that &quot;We live in a time when a Prime Minister of Israel (Yitzchak Rabin in 2005) was assassinated by a fellow Jew for trying to make peace.&quot; Rabin was actually murdered in 1995. It&#039;s a day that will always stick out in my mind; I was in high school and at an event at my synagogue when the horrific news broke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting piece; gives us a lot to consider. One minor error, however. You state that &#8220;We live in a time when a Prime Minister of Israel (Yitzchak Rabin in 2005) was assassinated by a fellow Jew for trying to make peace.&#8221; Rabin was actually murdered in 1995. It&#8217;s a day that will always stick out in my mind; I was in high school and at an event at my synagogue when the horrific news broke.</p>
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		<title>By: BDE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BDE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a historian, I think it is dangerous to interpret ancient sacrifices -- and the people who offered them -- from a modern perspective. There are two thoughts I&#039;d like to offer in the case of the Akedah:

1. Many ancient peoples believed that the soul -- or an equivalent idea of a continuing spirit -- not only outlived the body, but was more important than the body. They may have believed that sacrificing a person (or animal) freed it to go on to another way of existing, or merging with the deity. Therefore, sacrifice would not have been seen as an ending of someone&#039;s life in the way that most of us would see it today.

Abraham may have held such a belief. Indeed, Abraham may have been expecting to offer up his son at an appointed time. The surprise to him may have been that his firstborn, Ishmael, was not to be the sacrifice. This unexpected development certainly would have carried along one theme of the Torah, that of a younger son replacing an older son. 

My point is that there&#039;s no way for us to know for sure what our ancestors thought and felt about sacrifice, outside of the little conveyed to us by the text. So it&#039;s important for us not to assume and judge them by modern standards; rather, I think we should face the challenge of our tradition&#039;s texts and wrestle with them, drawing out new meanings and lessons, rather than rejecting them. This is especially true of a story like the Akedah, one of the central texts in our tradition. We don&#039;t need an abridged Torah; we need our wise teachers to offer new insights into it.

2. In a larger sense, the Torah is talking about a time of transition, in which God was teaching Abraham a new way. At that time, child sacrifice was common (and remained common for centuries afterward). What we see in this story is a revolution: the substituting of an animal for a human being. This is a movement from killing humans to finding a replacement so as to spare human life. While we moderns may recoil even at the idea of animal sacrifice (I know I do), we must be mindful of the important point in a slow transition that this story represents. Personally, I&#039;m proud to be part of a tradition that has not only rejected human sacrifice (and its modern metaphors), but has rejected the suggestion that we need sacrifice when prayer, study, and good deeds are what is pleasing to God.

Thanks for the streaming services, and L&#039;shanah tovah to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a historian, I think it is dangerous to interpret ancient sacrifices &#8212; and the people who offered them &#8212; from a modern perspective. There are two thoughts I&#8217;d like to offer in the case of the Akedah:</p>
<p>1. Many ancient peoples believed that the soul &#8212; or an equivalent idea of a continuing spirit &#8212; not only outlived the body, but was more important than the body. They may have believed that sacrificing a person (or animal) freed it to go on to another way of existing, or merging with the deity. Therefore, sacrifice would not have been seen as an ending of someone&#8217;s life in the way that most of us would see it today.</p>
<p>Abraham may have held such a belief. Indeed, Abraham may have been expecting to offer up his son at an appointed time. The surprise to him may have been that his firstborn, Ishmael, was not to be the sacrifice. This unexpected development certainly would have carried along one theme of the Torah, that of a younger son replacing an older son. </p>
<p>My point is that there&#8217;s no way for us to know for sure what our ancestors thought and felt about sacrifice, outside of the little conveyed to us by the text. So it&#8217;s important for us not to assume and judge them by modern standards; rather, I think we should face the challenge of our tradition&#8217;s texts and wrestle with them, drawing out new meanings and lessons, rather than rejecting them. This is especially true of a story like the Akedah, one of the central texts in our tradition. We don&#8217;t need an abridged Torah; we need our wise teachers to offer new insights into it.</p>
<p>2. In a larger sense, the Torah is talking about a time of transition, in which God was teaching Abraham a new way. At that time, child sacrifice was common (and remained common for centuries afterward). What we see in this story is a revolution: the substituting of an animal for a human being. This is a movement from killing humans to finding a replacement so as to spare human life. While we moderns may recoil even at the idea of animal sacrifice (I know I do), we must be mindful of the important point in a slow transition that this story represents. Personally, I&#8217;m proud to be part of a tradition that has not only rejected human sacrifice (and its modern metaphors), but has rejected the suggestion that we need sacrifice when prayer, study, and good deeds are what is pleasing to God.</p>
<p>Thanks for the streaming services, and L&#8217;shanah tovah to all.</p>
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		<title>By: PW</title>
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		<dc:creator>PW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t deny that you have a legitimate point, but you might want to think about the artists from Rembrandt to Bob Dylan who have found deep meaning in the psychodrama of this story.  It is more weighted with meaning than the verses that make the Decalogue, including &quot;honor your father and mother&quot; because it puts us into a story where that is not just a given.  I think also that where you refer to an &quot;innocent child&quot; the consensus view if that Isaac would have been a man in his 40&#039;s at this point.  If Abraham then circumcized him, you might ask yourself what sacrifice and commitment was implied there as well.  Likewise with animal sacrifices--they can&#039;t hold any meaning for us today, either, except as mataphor or metonymy, but that is exactly where we find the meaning of the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t deny that you have a legitimate point, but you might want to think about the artists from Rembrandt to Bob Dylan who have found deep meaning in the psychodrama of this story.  It is more weighted with meaning than the verses that make the Decalogue, including &#8220;honor your father and mother&#8221; because it puts us into a story where that is not just a given.  I think also that where you refer to an &#8220;innocent child&#8221; the consensus view if that Isaac would have been a man in his 40&#8242;s at this point.  If Abraham then circumcized him, you might ask yourself what sacrifice and commitment was implied there as well.  Likewise with animal sacrifices&#8211;they can&#8217;t hold any meaning for us today, either, except as mataphor or metonymy, but that is exactly where we find the meaning of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyn Valentino-Perigueux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyn Valentino-Perigueux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rabbi Barr,

I couldn&#039;t possibly agree with you more.  Ever since I was a child I too was confused by the premise of this story and could not reconcile it, even in my juvenile mind.

For all the reasons you cited above I fully support you in your decision.  I understand that means nothing in the grand scheme of things, and some may see it as sacrilegious (as would my long deceased grandparents who also used the story to beat me over the head as to my &quot;lack of obedience&quot;).

In these utterly crazy-making times it makes sense to reassess these stories and appreciate them as tradition, but not as (my opinion) guidelines by which to live our daily lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rabbi Barr,</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t possibly agree with you more.  Ever since I was a child I too was confused by the premise of this story and could not reconcile it, even in my juvenile mind.</p>
<p>For all the reasons you cited above I fully support you in your decision.  I understand that means nothing in the grand scheme of things, and some may see it as sacrilegious (as would my long deceased grandparents who also used the story to beat me over the head as to my &#8220;lack of obedience&#8221;).</p>
<p>In these utterly crazy-making times it makes sense to reassess these stories and appreciate them as tradition, but not as (my opinion) guidelines by which to live our daily lives.</p>
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